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Wapping Town Council Meeting 8th September (updated)

Wapping Town Council Meeting 8th September (updated)

[updated 22 September]

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Wapping Town Council Public Meeting

Date: Wednesday 8th September
Time: 7pm
Venue: St Georges Town Hall, Cable Street [view map]

The Wapping Town Council Steering Group is preparing to gather signatures for the petition.  There will be places where people are able to sign, within St.Katharine’s & Wapping area, plus we will be going on line with the petition.

The Steering Group is also interested in persons wishing to be on the shadow council.  This council will negotiate with Tower Hamlets Council on behalf of the people of St.Katharine’s & Wapping, the view being a Town Council named Wapping.

Once again the petition requires 2,500 signatures, so all persons interested in a greater form of democracy, plus being able to offer St.Katharine’s & Wapping a better future, I urge to sign the petition and step forward as potential candidates for a non-political, transparent, democratic council (contact: wappingtowncouncil@gmail.com)

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Geoff Juden

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  • Robin M

    Wondering what the current status of this proposal is?

  • Geoff Juden

    Have been invited to discuss local councils next week, am aware of a community council in Hackney wishing to be set up.

  • Paulie K

    Ultimately Geoff needs to tell us how many signatures he has. It’s been 5 months since it was first mooted and we’ve not actually been updated since a guesstimate at the last meeting.

  • http://www.paulbrockphotography.co.uk Brock

    I see. So perhaps you can enlighten us on what additional powers the Town Council might have – taking over planning applications perhaps? overruling the removal of disabled parking places? Or do these remain with LBTH, as I suspect…

  • Paulie K

    Geoff, thanks for yet another derisory response.

    Have you actually read the Localism Bill? Whilst the bill allows empowerment, you still need to demonstrate sufficient support, through petition and referendum, the cost of which, and subsequent elections remain a fundamental issue which you have consistently glossed over.

    I haven’t read all of the bill, but it is interesting, though I personally support a community group.

  • Geoff Juden

    The summise of many people at the meetings held was that no powers would ever be given to a local authority by the borough council. Further in no way would funding become available.

    Seemingly thse objections have been kicked into the long grass under the localism bill.

  • Pete

    Geoff, it would be much appreciated if you could speak to us first or do we have to hear it from the Politics Show???

  • Paulie K

    Geoff, when will you actually update us?

  • Juden Geoffrey460

    I had been requested to speak on behalf of Wapping Town Council to The Politics Show due out this w/end, unfortunately I was unable to attend the filming. However I will endeavour to keep all interested parties informed.

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  • Paulie K

    I feel let down Geoffrey.

    I asked you at the last meeting for a few things.

    The first was to make your petition form more transparent about the implications. I haven’t seen one since, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you haven’t.

    The next was for a robust estimate of the cost of the council. You have ignored repeated requests from users on here.

    The third was to consider an apolitical community group- I’ve heard nothing on this, so I assume you’re not interested.

    Be open, be honest, be fair.

    I ask only one thing more; should you ever be elected, will you show your electorate the same level of contempt masquerading behind flowery prose?

  • http://www.paulbrockphotography.co.uk Brock

    “all will be revealed”? You’ll have to excuse us if we pass on such a tempting offer.

  • Geoffrey Juden

    Should sufficient persons being able to come forward and join as potential councillors, I am sure all will be revealed.

    As before mentioned, it is up to the people of St.Katharine’s & Wapping to decide.

  • http://www.twitter.com/onepercentjames James W

    Geoff, you say the costing is not as great as Neil King envisages so please can you provide your costing?

  • Paulie K

    “Any costs or expenses plucked from the air with regard to this ambition are purely fictional.”

    Geoff, could you state what the costs are then?

    Why should it be for the shadow council to judge what the costs are, isn’t that a little bit too down the road?

    Is it wrong for me to be offended that you continually ignore requests for information? I can only assume you don’t have any answers, which doesn’t bode well. It is a wise man who knows his ignorance. Prove me wrong.

  • http://www.paulbrockphotography.co.uk Brock

    so do you have a figure for the election cost yet then Geoff? Or running costs? or basically any new information since the last public meeting 2 months ago?

  • Geoff Juden

    The idea of a Town Council for the area has not been abandoned as some may think. The costing of such an election is not as great as Neil King envisages.

    The orignal purpose of a Town Council for St.Katharine’s & Wapping, is that many people within the ward were feeling neglected by the borough authority, therefore action had to be taken for their opinion to be heard, in a legislative form.

    I myself am unable to stand as a local councillor, but am offering persons within the ward to stand as figures for their community. Any costs or expenses plucked from the air with regard to this ambition are purely fictional. The shadow council during the period of the governance review would have to judge.

    Any person wishing to be considered to be a part of Wapping Town Council e.mail wappingtowncouncil@gmail.com.

  • Paulie K

    Helen, for the record, my antipathy/apathy is based on three factors:
    1) The *uncertain* cost of a) creating and electing and b) running, including how it will be funded.
    2) That it will lead to a reduction in elected councillors from three, to one, reducing the variety of representation on matters such as education, housing and social services.
    3) That Geoff has started this project but has since got bored and seems to be focussing his attention on a proposal in Shoreditch. I can’t remember him answering any of my questions. Even at the second meeting, when I made him publicly commit to providing figures he has singularly failed to do so.

  • Helen

    Hi Geoff, what’s the position on the Town Council these days? Have you had sufficient feedback/signatures in favour of it? Do we get another public meeting on the next stage? I got the impression that many people are in favour and some are not. Of these latter (who mainly seem to object on the ground of cost, fair enough) all want to influence LBTH to treat Wapping more favourably or equitably. If the TC does not go ahead for whatever reason, could we build some other local entity with clout? I don’t pretend to know what that might be … perhaps you could advise on that? For or against the TC, there is a lot of interest and desire to bring about [positive] change in this area, let’s use that goodwill.

  • http://www.kingformayor.org Neil King

    It cost £180,000 to stage because the local authority doesn’t pay any premises hire or bill for its worker’s time during normal working hours, nor does that include the policing bill. That simply reflects printing costs and overtime. Equally my costs included the employment of a town clerk (as required by law).
    Thanks for your vote, though, John.